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Pfft. Typical American arrogance thinking they are the only people on the planet who don't learn anything until they are punched in the groin .

Zinegata wrote:Pfft. Typical American arrogance thinking they are the only people on the planet who don't learn anything until they are punched in the groin .

I think that applies to almost everyone. It's just been a very long time since anything punched us in the groin.

Well, there's the credit explosion and the oil spill recently. And that incident 9 years ago with the planes crashing into towers that resulted in two wars.

Still, I can't help but feel that it's silly for Americans to whine about millionaires and wanting to pummell them to death by virtue of outnumbering them 93:7.

Because guest what? As far as most of the world is concerned, American are virtual millionaires who live a life of comfort and plenty. And your fellow First-Worlders tend to look down on you for a variety of reasons ranging from envy to lack of interesting hobbies. So... is it a real good idea to promote violence when you outnumber millionaires 93:7, but the world outnumbers you guys 6 billion to 300 million?

Zinegata wrote: So... is it a real good idea to promote violence when you outnumber millionaires 93:7, but the world outnumbers you guys 6 billion to 300 million?

They have to cross oceans to get to us first.

Zinegata wrote: Because guest what? As far as most of the world is concerned, American are virtual millionaires who live a life of comfort and plenty.

You saying that doesn't make me feel better about being one bad day away from being homeless. I don't doubt the rest of the world sees the USA as that, but I am telling you that it's not like that for most of the people here.

As far as the rest of the world outnumbering us: Fucking do it. Seriously, I don't know why the rest of the world hasn't already.

Edit: Oh right, my point. My point is that the big dogs should always fear the little dogs tearing them apart. I am not denying that America has lots of people living in comfort and wealth, but most are like me: Barely surviving, not having enough food to eat every day (I found that if I take a day a week and just sleep I don't have to eat, which helps me get through the month). And every day some wealthy fuck makes a decision that makes them rich at my expense (For example, I was going to be promoted at work but some dickless maggot in the home office decided to put a freeze on promotions despite the company making about 11.6 billion in profits last year. So I have to continue to struggle so some exec can have an ivory backscratcher. A relative had his salary cut by 10% (and so did every other salaried employee) so the CEO could give himself a 26% raise.

Every company is slashing benefits (and have back during the Clinton prosperity) to fund their own CEO's yachts and solid gold racecars, and if you are unfortunate enough to be at the bottom, it doesn't matter how hard you work because you're fucked. And if I went alone and did something, I'd probably be shot, I am aware of this. I am aware how small and weak I actually am in the great scheme of things.

I still want Putin to invade Australia and bring it under Sovjet rule.

My point is that people have generally agreed to respect each other's power and property, as without this we'd simply devolve into chaos and we'd be invading America through Mexico and Canada.

So before saying "Let's kill the fucking CEOs", maybe take pause and realize that as far as the rest of the world is concerned, even a poor American is a "fucking CEO" in their books already?

Besides which, for every shitty CEO there's some decent ones to balance them out. But you're never gonna hear about them because people don't seem to think having an honest company that sells a decent product is either noteworthy or heroic anymore.

Zinegata wrote: Besides which, for every shitty CEO there's some decent ones to balance them out. But you're never gonna hear about them because people don't seem to think having an honest company that sells a decent product is either noteworthy or heroic anymore.

Well, that should really be the default position, shouldn't it?

There are 500 companies on the Forbes list. How many have actually done evil shit lately?

Not a lot. But people focus on the bad ones and start going "Let's shoot some CEOs!"

Zinegata wrote: maybe take pause and realize that as far as the rest of the world is concerned, even a poor American is a "fucking CEO" in their books already?

I respect your opinions on the use of violence. I don't agree, I think a little chaos would be good for us as Americans; we don't have nearly enough in our lives so we think things like "Taxes are too high!" and "The government is the enemy, let's destroy it and let the free market rule everything!" and "Them damn queers are ruining our nation!" and other bullshit like that.

And you know what? You telling me that people think I'm a CEO tells me that the rest of the world is just as ignorant about the lives of Americans as Americans are about the rest of the world. 7% have everything, the rest have nothing. You can claim people think I have a comfortable life, I am telling you that I do not even have food to eat today. And I'm telling you that everyone in my social circle is having similar problems with day-to-day existance, and most of us are exactly one minor misfortune away from losing it all (If I get an injury or an illness bad enough to make me miss even one day of work, there goes rent.)

I will NOT stop working my ass off for a better life because someone else has it worse, and I will NOT pause to speak up because of "starving children in India". I will remain pissed if I feel raped by the system REAGARDLESS if someone else has it worse than me.

Zinegata wrote:There are 500 companies on the Forbes list. How many have actually done evil shit lately?

Not a lot. But people focus on the bad ones and start going "Let's shoot some CEOs!"

Wait, Andyjames? Is that you?

If not, then forgive me for the offense. I want to repeat:

I never said shoot CEOs. I said lynch them, there's a difference .

But seriously, I am saying that the upper crust needs to fear reprisal if they do evil things. As it stands now, they can do evil things and get away with it. I find that insulting. I apologize if I wasn't expressing myself properly, my mental condition makes it difficult at times.

The American per-capita GDP is about $46K per year.

China's billion people? About 6K a year.

India also has a billion people. Their per-capita is around 3K a year.

And China is only at 6K because they're willing to manufacture products that Americans no longer can because your high labor costs.

So, again, 300 million people making, on average, at least seven times more than 2 billion people. That's not ignorance. It's a fact that despite your own personal poverty, America is stinking rich.

And that while your people consider "one bad day from losing it all" a hard life, most of the rest of the world consider being able to eat just one proper meal a day is a good life.

Count Arioch the 28th wrote:But seriously, I am saying that the upper crust needs to fear reprisal if they do evil things. As it stands now, they can do evil things and get away with it. I find that insulting. I apologize if I wasn't expressing myself properly, my mental condition makes it difficult at times.

You're a democracy. Your election system force candidates to reveal their contributors.

Deal with it. Most people in the world have neither elections nor a relatively transparent government.

Because your solution of breaking the law, lynching people, and generating chaos will do nothing but make more poor Americans.

Alright, anyone who tries to shame me into silence with the "dere are poor people everywhere HURRR!" argument gets put on ignore. I work too hard and put up with too much bullshit to have some pissant try to tell me I shouldn't be angry because someone in the world is worse than me. Go fuck yourself, you stupid fuck.

Murder is acceptable because you work too hard?

Gee, and you call me a stupid fuck?

Again, you live in fucking America. Where there are something called "elections". You tried violence and chaos before. It's called the fucking American Civil War. You want 600,000 body bags? Be my guest.

Anger does not give you the right to murder.

Note to the peanut gallery: Zinegata's argument that violence would just make more poor people is 100% valid, and is enough to make me rethink my position. My public declaration of ignoring him is more because he's purposefully ignoring arguments I'm making, misinterpreting what I'm saying, ignoring my post when I tried to clarify, and instead of addressing my point went into the "Americans are spoiled babies" mode. I am aware of this, I work retail and get called names a hundred times a day because someone didn't listen to the welfare worker when they were saying you can't buy beer with food stamps.

If he had just stuck to the "Civil unrest is hardest on the lower ends of society" argument instead of insulting me, I wouldn't have ignored him.

Count Arioch the 28th wrote:Note to the peanut gallery: Zinegata's argument that violence would just make more poor people is 100% valid, and is enough to make me rethink my position. My public declaration of ignoring him is more because he's purposefully ignoring arguments I'm making, misinterpreting what I'm saying, ignoring my post when I tried to clarify, and instead of addressing my point went into the "Americans are spoiled babies" mode. I am aware of this, I work retail and get called names a hundred times a day because someone didn't listen to the welfare worker when they were saying you can't buy beer with food stamps.

Bull shit.

"I respect your opinions on the use of violence. I don't agree, I think a little chaos would be good for us as Americans"

Only now are you retracting your advocacy of violence. Your position is that "Violence is good. Chaos is good."

And the reason you're ignoring me is that you're pissed that I had the temerity to say you're a fucking moron for having advocated it at all in the first place.

Moreover...

You telling me that people think I'm a CEO tells me that the rest of the world is just as ignorant about the lives of Americans as Americans are about the rest of the world

You claimed the rest of the world is ignorant. I have shown you, quite factually, that Americans are indeed stinking rich.

So stop using your own poverty and rage as an excuse for the fact that you advocated violence and chaos. You continued to do so. And you're trying to now paint _me_ as the villain because you had to backtrack your fucking bullshit position.

But hey, you don't want to listen anyway. So whatever.

I'm just confused as to where the narrative of "it's your own fault if you're poor" fits in to all this?

Could someone tell Zinegata what an "ignore list" is? I don't think he understands.

violence in the media wrote:I'm just confused as to where the narrative of "it's your own fault if you're poor" fits in to all this?

I might have allowed my frustration to get the better of me and I went off half-cocked. I do that from time to time. My apologies.

violence in the media wrote:I'm just confused as to where the narrative of "it's your own fault if you're poor" fits in to all this?

WTF?

Where, in my posts, is this "It's your own fault if it's poor?".

Quote me. Because again, this is the Den being a bunch of retards who start inserting what "They think a Teabagger would say" as opposed to "What Zine actually said."

Count Arioch the 28th wrote:Could someone tell Zinegata what an "ignore list" is? I don't think he understands.

Could someone tell Count I don't give a fuck if I'm on his ignore list and I'm gonna call him out that he's an ass for sending a volley my way and then not being man enough to face the fact he's the one bullshiting here?

Count Arioch the 28th wrote: I might have allowed my frustration to get the better of me and I went off half-cocked. I do that from time to time. My apologies.

The fact that I apologize for ANYTHING makes me a bigger man than anyone here.

Except maybe Koumei.

Count Arioch the 28th wrote:

Count Arioch the 28th wrote: I might have allowed my frustration to get the better of me and I went off half-cocked. I do that from time to time. My apologies.

The fact that I apologize for ANYTHING makes me a bigger man than anyone here.

Except maybe Koumei.

That's not an apology. That's you being a self-serving ass and using me as your scapegoat. "I didn't mean to be half-cocked, but Zine played the "Shut up, other people are poor too!" card on me. Bohoo!"

Fuck you. You're the one who claimed the rest of the world was ignorant. When I showed you that Americans are, in fact, stinking rich you accused me of ignoring your argument?

You're fucking worse than Kaelik. He'd at least insult me to my face.

Count Arioch the 28th wrote:

violence in the media wrote:I'm just confused as to where the narrative of "it's your own fault if you're poor" fits in to all this?

I might have allowed my frustration to get the better of me and I went off half-cocked. I do that from time to time. My apologies.

That wasn't really specific to the arguments of either of you, but was more geared towards you, Zinegata, as it is my impression that you tend to hold a mindest compatible with such a statement. If that's a mistaken impression, then, my apologies.

If it is somewhat on mark though, doesn't an adherence to such a philosophy mean that the concentration of wealth in America is a reflection of some qualities that make Americans more deserving of that wealth than the Chinese or the Indians?